Soldering (Electrical)

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Bandit Mick wrote: Sun May 23, 2021 8:23 pm Thanks for the soldering advice Brian - useful as I am having real bother at the moment. Perhaps you or another member can help me. Just bought a new tip and after tinning 6 wires the tip will no longer hold solder and appears blackened. I’m using an antex 35w iron, 63/ 37 solder and DCC sapphic liquid flux. Don’t know if the solder is rosin cored but did buy everything from a very well known reputable model shop. I left the iron on for 20 minutes before using and clean with a damp sponge. Don’t laugh, but this is my 4th tip in as many years. What am I doing wrong?!!!!!!! Any help much appreciated before I throw the iron in the bin and stamp on the layout and give everything up as a bad job!
A blackened tip means it has oxidised and as you are finding the slolder will not tin the tip. The oxide is difficult to remove but rest assured it can be done.

The first thing to try is to try one of those tip cleaners that looks like an unravelled brass Brillo pad in a some canister. You may have to rub the tip through quite vigorously for a while. If that does not work if you have a Dremel like tool then using a BRASS wire brush will shift it eventually, alternatively use one of those brass hand brushes used on suede shoes.

I have highlighted the word BRASS as the tip is coated with iron carbide and you must not use any abrasive that will cut through that. Cutting through the coating will expose the underlying copper and for a while your iron will solder well but eventually you willl find a cavity appearing and it will need replacing.

The iron carbide coating is the reason you are having the problem in the first place. On brand new irons and tips the tip being iron carbide coated can rust if moisture gets to it. To stop this happening manufacturers coat them with I suspect a varnish or lacquer, this needs to be removed before use to avoid the issues you are having. A wipe with a IPA soaked cloth should remove it.

When tinning your iron as it is warming keep trying to tin it before oxides form once flux appears on the tip (smoke emanates) you will be OK and eventually solder will melt and adhere. Wipe on a damp soldering sponge to leave a thin shiny surface and get into the habit when soldering to wipe the tip each time you pick up the iron. An alternative method but creates toxic fumes and needs to be done in a ventilated area with some sort of extraction and that is to quickly dip the tip as it is heating into the flux and tin immediately. Works every time but comes with a warning :x

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Bandit Mick wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 8:57 am Thanks Steve. I wrapped my tip in solder and heated it up but it failed to stick. The solder just fell off in dull grey blobs.
did you clean the tip first, taking note of what tricky dicky has mentioned?
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Walkingthedog wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 7:21 pm This is popular

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Brian I have tried similar products but have not been impressed with the results so prefer my tried and tested methods. What I find puzzling in the comments how many people have to constantly resort to using it. Not bragging here, but I find once tinned an iron stays tinned the process of soldering replenishes the tinning and only rarely does a tip need re-tinning usually as a result of leaving it on for an extended period. I always wipe my iron on a damp sponge as soon as I pick it up and again when replacing it in the stand and never carry solder to the work on the tip.

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Richard I do the same as you, the magic wet sponge works a treat. I only put that link on because lots of people mention it on line. Never needed to use it myself.
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I use a tip cleaner of brass strands contained in a small pot like this one... Example Link to example cleaner Other types are of course available.
The irons tip cleaning sponge needs to be Damp with a little tap water, not wringing wet. If you're into prolonged soldering time, then refresh the sponge with a little more water and squeeze it out excess water before reuse. :D
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I have one of those pots Brian but haven’t used it yet.
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Tricky Dicky wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:28 am I always wipe my iron on a damp sponge as soon as I pick it up and again when replacing it in the stand and never carry solder to the work on the tip.
Me also, years of using a soldering iron makes it a reflex. I have in the past had tips that start to lose their tinning after a LOT of use, when that happens I just fit a new tip. I really don't think it is worth the hassle.
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