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Hello,

As the title suggests I've been kicking this idea ar dfor a long long time! Now that I'm getting ona bit it's finally time to take action. As I write I have several boxes of track, other bits, some rolling stock, a room almost clerared - I'll post in 'Location, presently - and three more boxes of stuff winging their way from Hattons, a Spanish electronics on-line shop and, of course Amazon ... All i need now is to drive 100 miles and back to my 'local' LeRoy Merlin shop to collect a load of battens and an extra bit of MDF (Mrs Simon saw the first batch and instantly ordered more shelves be built ...)

The location is an underground store room in a block of flats down in town - I live in amediaval cottage high inn the Pyrenees where I have very little room indeed - especially as I share it with a a large Husky dog and and even larger Alaskan malamute! :)

So, here's the plan and a few points from the original design - C J Freezer's I guess.

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So what you have is a point to point terminus to fiddle yard with an crossomg at an intermediate station, all curved aound itself into a high-level low level spiral. Points to note:
  • There's a 'spur - at 'A' on my plan - that makes a continous loop n teh low level for 'testing' purposed, i.e. watchung trians go by while you have a cup of coffee. On thinking about it I plan to isilare thias spur as a refuge for an 14XX and its autocar push-pull train that can also run around te line after reversing at the passing loop - I'll discuss this later after intro¡ducing the 'prototype' i.e a fictional station at a real loation based n some 'what if' ruminations about the line's history - the Bishop's Castle railway and the Minsterley Branch of the GWR/LNWR line from Shrewsbury to Welshpool, if it had happened that way
  • The original design had a small turntable in the turminus and a larger one in the fiddle yard so that larger tender engines could 'go to the junction' to turn - in my plan there's no room for a turntable but the 'history' - see above - did envisage a triangular juntion beyond the crossing loop so engines could legitimately run light the full lenght of the line there and back again
  • There's a long uninterupted line from the terminus to the passing station, so that I can set a train running 'up' on that while I simultaneously start a train 'down' just from the fiddle yard to the passing loop, so two controllers are in the plan.
  • I bought a job lot of Fleishmann Profi track to get me going. This included four curved points and six three-way points, of which three are damaged. Hence I've used curved points extensively - after a change of plan after discussing the project with The Central Committee the original 'phase 1', which was just a simple terminus to fiddle yard, I've aquired three more curved pints for the intermendaite station. I've seen comments here that folk shoud ac¡void curved poubts but I've tested mine and they don't seem to cause derailments and they save so much space I donpt thnik I'd have a viable railway without them - debate please! :)
  • Plan A was to have the goods siding in the passing station accessed from a headshunt, a bit of a fetish of mine, and bought the extra set of points for this. But since then I¡ve been wprried that this will be very short and I've also spotted an very empty corner on the high level line, so I'm adding a private siding with a feature such as a brickworks - there was one on other branch line nearby - or a small factory, etc.
OK, I think that shoukd get the ball rolling. Just to note that the space is 2.4 m by 2.1 m and I've set the terminus baseboards at 30 cms above the fiddle yard so that I can access this more easily and have the track to the high level begin it's ascent directky from the points deep within the lower level.

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I feel you need to be aware that Cyril Freezers plans often couldn't work in the area shown, or they used unrealistic curve radius, as they are drawings not scaled plans. IMO you should download free to use software and scale up the plan with the track of choice.. You may be surprised on the space needed for e CF plan! :o
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Hi Simon. A good point mentioned by Brian.

I assume the oblong in the centre is the control area?
If so how do you access it?
A lift off section has an amount of track to get it right when putting together.

If it is a 'duck under' I suggest some form of padding underneath the board. No matter how agile you are, it hurts. Been there!!!

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I’ve had a central control area for decades that I have to crawl under to access and still manage without any problems. I do have a lift out section but rarely use it.
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You mention a difference in levels of 30cms - you would an incline of 15 metres at 1 in 50
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Yes, a crawl under for those able to crawl is OK. I use one and at 73 I consider I'm luckily still to be able to access the central area by crawling (OMG brings back early life memories Ha ha!) But some may not be able to do so! In which case a lift up bridge or lift out section is more appropriate. :o
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Brian wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:00 pm I feel you need to be aware that Cyril Freezers plans often couldn't work in the area shown, or they used unrealistic curve radius, as they are drawings not scaled plans. IMO you should download free to use software and scale up the plan with the track of choice.. You may be surprised on the space needed for e CF plan! :o
Hmm, that's an intersesting point. And to think of all of the people who bought Peco'sa track plan booklets maybe it was all about shifting product at the end of the day :(

I did download a software, Railmodeller Express, but quickly found myself becoming a slave to the software and it was much quicker and easier just to mock up the track plan on soemboards using the actual track. I realise that most people would design thier layout and ten buy the track to suit but my position has been really handy and suits me fine - each to their own ...

glencairn wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:10 pm Hi Simon. A good point mentioned by Brian.

I assume the oblong in the centre is the control area?
If so how do you access it?
A lift off section has an amount of track to get it right when putting together.

If it is a 'duck under' I suggest some form of padding underneath the board. No matter how agile you are, it hurts. Been there!!!

Glencairn
Hello, thanks for your interest. Yes, the red oblong is indeed the operating area. Access is via a removable section on the left of the plan although I'm pretty nu¡imble and expect to duck under, only removing the section when access to the stireage requires it - pretty unlkely in all events.

I also feel your pain - been there done that ... :)
Steve M wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:45 pm You mention a difference in levels of 30cms - you would an incline of 15 metres at 1 in 50

Hmm, I hadn't really thought that one through! I have a run of about six metres from the fiddle yard to the entrance to the high level station so at the recommended ratio of 1:50 that makes just 12 cms height gain. I rerember fro CJF's original desigh the terminus was more narrow that the yard so that at least one track was accessible from above for asssembling trains . I guess I could reduce the width of the terminus to 50 cms from 60 without losing too much and my slender hands could reach further in in case of derailments, etc.

That would also impact how I support the terminus baseboards as at the moment I have sturdy shelf brackets fitted that would impact the height over the tracks within the yard. Hmm, thiking caps ...

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I have two layouts ‘stacked’ one above the other ( the top one is on adjustable brackets - they work) and occasionally I wonder if I could link them.
A long incline all the way around the 12’x8’ shed would work but the corners would be intrusive on the lower layout and be quite complex across the shed door. The only real way of raising a track by that amount is a helix but that would have to be 4’ across - I’d lose nearly half the lower layout.
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At the model train club I belonged to previously, we had one duck under positioned perfectly so as to be a "skull whacker." The other was a "spine wrencher." The two had a rather dimming effect upon members over 40.
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Hello people,

Sorry to have been so long off line about this topic but I've had a great deal of thniking to do after the essential information given here - and thinking hurts my head!

So, I thought and thought and thought again about how to solve the gradient issue but every solution just caused more problems so in the end I decided to tear up 'Plan A' and start afresh seekinga 'Plan B'. I was intreaged by Steve's two layout solution and went down that line for a lomg while. But realised that in this case the sum of the two parts, namely a smaller terminus - fiddle yard plan on the 'high level' and a tail chaser on the 'low' would be well less than the sum of the whole- Plus I realised that the key element of the tail chaser, i.e. some kind of lassing station, would be tucked up away inside shelving units - OK in Plan A where this was secondary to a the terminus station - while a huge space was waster by what would be a very minimal fiddle yard.

So, I am a poor sleeper and at aroud 04.00 I tend to have creative 'solutions', which came in with a 'Eurika' moment, a doule track tail oval layout with a station that has a bay platform and turntable to reverse trains entering the 'main line' from various branch lines whose actual junctions were off the model set further up and down the line. I even had a prototyoe tpo hand although I say right here and now that I'm not a slave to that kind of modelling.

Craven Arms station on the Shrewsbury - Hereford line has it all, with two branch lines, the GWR line to Much Wenlock and the Bishop's Castlre Railway off to north and the LNWR Mid-wales line to the south. So lots and lots of traffic to play with :) Needless to say my layout wiill be very much a lightweight version of what was quite a substancial station but what the heck - compromise is the name of the game ...

After all of this work I've been down to the timber merchant and prepared the materials ready to start work on the baseboards probably on Tuesday when the current blizzard conditions abare somewhat - I have to work outside on that task - and in the meanwhile I suppose that this radically new layiut idea warrahts a new topic thread of its own.

So, a huge thank you to Steve and Brian for your contributions a 'Hello again' to Chops for dropping in here :)
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