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Old 11-06-2018, 10:07 AM   #41
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Who knows. Nothing released, or even mentioned. I keep an occasional eye on it, from afar. john
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Old 11-06-2018, 08:12 PM   #42
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The proposed equipment is

R8306 Railmaster detection pack (based on Vellmann8055 or Elexol2410?)
R8307 LD module
R8308 LD track sensor
R8309 tag strips

If this project comes to fruition it will be the cheapest LD on the market.
RFID tags are used in libraries. The technology exists, but the equipment in the library is only required to detect returned books once they have been put down on the counter and are static. A similar consideration applies to contactless point of sale - the equipment is only required to detect a smart card placed directly on the sensor.

The technical hold up is to detect a loco which is moving. There has to be a distance at which the loco is within range of the sensor. Obviously it is of no use to have it come into range 8 foot away on a 6 foot long track. However if the distance is set shorter, say a centimetre then the approach of the loco will not be detected.

How it works is quite simple - the RFID tag is a passive device. The sensor is the energised device which generates an electromagnetic field which produces a complementary field in the passive device which then uses this energy to transmit its ID back to the detector. The difficulty with loco detection is the time taken for the complementary field to be generated and reacted to.

If this technical impasse cannot be solved then LD will not be introduced.
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interesting, the other forums talk about a copyright problem, being the cause . john
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That was what Simon Kholer (I think) said some time ago John. I believe they were about to release LD when somebody had a eureka moment and they started again.
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interesting, the other forums talk about a copyright problem, being the cause . john
I think Hornby, being a large firm, would be able to deal with that. The problem must be technical. Railcom does allow a chipped loco to be detected, but that won't work for rolling stock. A magnet allows any train to be detected, but the elink has no inputs other than the USB port,
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Not sure about it being the cheapest system as this was posted many years ago when the list of proposed bits came out..

As a reminder to older hands and/or as info to newcomers these are the prices for the loco detection system when it was announced late 2013 and posted on RM Web.
Railmaster Loco Detection System
R8306 Pack contains: LD Module, 1Pk LD Tag Strips, 4 x LD Track sensors. £79.99
R8307 LD Module £69.99
R8308 LD Track Sensor £ 7.50
R8309 LD Tag Strip £ 9.99
R**** LD Track Sensor Transformer £ 9.99



From memory it ran a max of 2 or maybe 4 modules and I think 8 ports per module for sensors and a system max capacity of 96 loco tags. I could be wrong about these numbers but I know the system tag capacity was way more than the available sensor ports. Discussion at the time criticised the system sensor limits even for a small/medium sized layout. At one time the system was even described in the RM manual but subsequently deleted, although part is still there telling of its use of the sensor in calibrating your locos speed.


There was also discussion about could Railmaster handle both USB traffic for loco and points control and USB traffic for detection.


This tells how long it has been in the ‘system’ scroll down to the sweep table...
https://www.hornby.com/uk-en/forum/p..._id/7619/?p=65

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would hate to think, its as dead as a dodo, but there has been no official update that i have seen, since 2013, unless, someone knows different. Given their financial woes, an expensive failiure, would be the last thing they need. john
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Hornby Railmaster Support said this in November 2016:

"We do plan to release loco detection although cannot specify a date or the precise reasons for the delay in doing so."
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That was prior to financial woes, losing MD, etc etc. Given the prices in 2013, can you imagine, the costs today. Many of those once interested, have moved on. Tis a shame, but the fact that Hattons are selling Railmaster for £5, is perhaps a clue. john
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