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Old 13-05-2018, 05:27 PM   #91
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Been so bad this month... Just bought my 4th new loco...

Ridiculous price though for a brand new Bachmann class 08... Model shop which has an ebay account selling it for £61 + delivery....
ok I think you may have a problem

Here I am contemplating buying one and youve already got 4 this month
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Old 13-05-2018, 06:16 PM   #92
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ok I think you may have a problem

Here I am contemplating buying one and youve already got 4 this month
I know! I canít help it when you see a bargain you have to pounce!!
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Old 16-05-2018, 10:32 PM   #93
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Just thought Iíd post a quick update. Finally got the chip in my 56xx from hattons that was second hand. Runs superb on dcc. The best slow speed runner I own infact. Really impressed and highly recommended.
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Old 17-05-2018, 09:06 AM   #94
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Although there will always be advocates of DC and DCC as regards the operation of locos and just which advantages and disadvantages are more important to us, surely one of the most significant advantages of DCC is the significantly simpler wiring job when putting the layout together and subsequently modifying it?
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Old 17-05-2018, 10:21 AM   #95
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Buncanbarge, in what way. My view, is the opposite. Whilst it is nice to have a DC Bus, many of us dont have one. Thats a massive time saver. No programming of points. I modify my DC layout, as least once a month, a doddle. john
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Old 17-05-2018, 10:41 AM   #96
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Back on topic -

I only buy second hand locos.

Accept that you will have to do some work on them - have a really good look to work out what work you will have to do, and accept that the stuff under the hood you aren't really going to know about until you get it home and start running it. Factor that in to your pricing, and think about what is within your competence and what isn't. And then think about how you can expand your skill set.

Research what you want, and watch all of the ebay auctions you can before bidding. See what they go for, and in what condition. Pick a price you are prepared to pay and stick to it. Don't chase auctions - you always lose.

If your target has bits missing, look at the cost of buying those bits - they can be more expensive than you think.
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Old 19-07-2018, 08:01 AM   #97
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Interesting thread. Since I came back into train modeling about 4 years ago I've made good use of Ebay secondhand items. So much cheaper than the cost of new - although obviously I have bought new locos and rolling stock as well. My simple technique is to study the pics and to read the descriptions carefully, if there is some fault apparent in the pics but not mentioned in the description then I won't risk the purchase.

Also I generally do pretty extensive research on the internet for reviews or general comments on forums regarding any particular problems that an item is manufactured with. Sometimes these are things I can fix so if I want the item and the price is good then I'll buy it. One thing I do tend to be careful of is accepting the criticism of the more obsessive rivet counters who seem unable to consider anything if it is not absolutely perfect - and often the faults they claim are pretty simple things that any modeler with skill can fix. So them I take with a grain of salt - one is either a modeler or a critic. I prefer to be a modeler.

Over the years I've only had a couple of duds - one I returned and got a refund because a claimed fault (a well recognised manufacturing problem) had not been properly fixed. The other was sold as faulty and I thought I could fix it but couldn't. It went into the spares store and I learnt a lesson.

Another thing I will do to keep cost down is buy items listed as for spares or repairs and search out missing parts as spares or fabricate my own. The result is generally, once repainted, a good functioning loco - just takes patience. Secondhand model locos are like cars - they depreciate magically once they leave the showroom yet remain in good functioning condition so being secondhand isn't a deterrent even though we are silly if we do not follow the caveat emptor maxim.

The secret I find is to have a good supply of spare parts for motors etc. Often a faulty locomotive is that way because of a simple fault which the original owner seems to have lacked the skill to fix. One category to be careful of are the models sold by collectors who have just kept them for display or in the box - these can often have dried lubrication and other problems that mean a thorough stripping, cleaning and relubricating before running them. I found that out the hard way when one secondhand loco that looked unused stuttered around the track then failed in a cloud of smoke. That eventually was an expensive fix - as the damage was my fault I couldn't return it. It now runs OK but bringing back to life was character building if nothing else.
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Old 19-07-2018, 08:37 AM   #98
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Buncanbarge, in what way. My view, is the opposite. Whilst it is nice to have a DC Bus, many of us dont have one. Thats a massive time saver. No programming of points. I modify my DC layout, as least once a month, a doddle. john
Basically you require a power supply and a signal to every single powered item on the layout. You can simplify this with a bus for the power supply but you then still require a separate and independent cable to every item to send the operating signal to it.

With DCC the same cable that supplies the power also supplies the signal so for any given layout arrangement and functionality it will always be possible to arrange an easier wiring arrangement with DCC than it could be with DC.

Of course if you want to build a layout with little or no automated functionality then it would be possible to use DC with a simple arrangement.

As for the original subject my own learning with the Thompson L1 proved very valuable, the whole story is here:

http://modelrailwayforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=13999

It was sold as a new model with a Zimo decoder fitted however at the end of the day the decoder was not fitted very well and it was an old decoder. The model also had inherent manufactured faults, which I have now sorted but it has ended up costing far too much money, effort and time to get there. There are undoubtedly bargains to be had but I now tend to think that using forums such as this will almost certainly improve the chances of a successful purchase.
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Old 20-07-2018, 03:38 PM   #99
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bought some good ones, and some bad ones but you get what you pay for in most cases

I guess a total dud would just get used as a static wreck.
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I just troll ebay for 'spares and repair' dogs and do 'em up. I now have 8 new looking and running locos that have cost me an average of a tenner apiece.
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