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Old 10-06-2018, 12:35 PM   #1
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Could anybody please tell me if there are any differences between
Hornby R4397 and Hornby R4859,they are both class 91 virgin dummy trains and both in the virgin livery,R4397 was released first.
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Different running numbers far as I know.
R4859 number number 82141 and R4397 is 82150................ John
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Different running numbers far as I know.
R4859 number number 82141 and R4397 is 82150................ John
thankyou John,my knowledge is very very limited,would this be pulling mk3 or mk 4 virgin liveried coaches?
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DVT's wouldn’t be pulling anything, they would be pushed by the loco at the other end.
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thankyou John,my knowledge is very very limited,would this be pulling mk3 or mk 4 virgin liveried coaches?
Yes I would think they would be used with Virgin coaches. Least all those I have seen have been. John
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thankyou John,my knowledge is very very limited,would this be pulling mk3 or mk 4 virgin liveried coaches?
Googling shows these numbers to both be Mk3 DVTs as used on the West Coast Main Line Between London Euston, Birmingham New Street, Stafford, Crewe, Madchester Piccadilly, Preston, Lancaster, Glasgow Central and a few other stations in between.
They can work with Mk2 or Mk3 coaches although they were almost exclusively formed into sets with Mk3a coaches by the time Virgin took over in 1997. The rakes would have been pushed or pulled from the other end by mostly class 87 or 90 with class 86 occasionally standing in.

They would never be seen in a rake with Mk4s or a 91. The current Virgin East Coast Mk4 DVT seems to only come in the R3501 pack along with the 91 and two Mk4 coaches.
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I've never actually sent a Mk4 coach yet. I assume they are only used to the east of the country? There again, no doubt we have (Or have had) things here you don't see elsewhere!
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DVT's wouldn’t be pulling anything, they would be pushed by the loco at the other end.
ha had me there
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Googling shows these numbers to both be Mk3 DVTs as used on the West Coast Main Line Between London Euston, Birmingham New Street, Stafford, Crewe, Madchester Piccadilly, Preston, Lancaster, Glasgow Central and a few other stations in between.
They can work with Mk2 or Mk3 coaches although they were almost exclusively formed into sets with Mk3a coaches by the time Virgin took over in 1997. The rakes would have been pushed or pulled from the other end by mostly class 87 or 90 with class 86 occasionally standing in.

They would never be seen in a rake with Mk4s or a 91. The current Virgin East Coast Mk4 DVT seems to only come in the R3501 pack along with the 91 and two Mk4 coaches.
Thankyou for that detailed reply,trying to find info myself,so im not having to rely on posting questions here all the time,on you tube I have seen the class 86 heading the rake with the dvt at the rear,will check out the 87 and 90 classes,thanks again,i do like the class 91's and I own the grey,silver east coast 91 with virgin decals added,also I have just bought R3501,its a great set,so continuing with the class 91/virgin theme I will probably get the dvt and some mk 3 coaches to go with it,now I have to decide on a 86/87 or 90 to head it up
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When used as a driving van then it is on the front of the consist, but when the loco is driving then its just a trailer at the back.
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