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Old 08-05-2018, 10:03 PM   #1
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Bought some coaches of ebay and they are smaller in scale to the others I have. Advertised as OO gauge. Have I bought HO?

Didn't pay much for them and they fit to the track but will struggle to use in the layout.

Lima Intercity W16084.

More homework needed before bidding or is there an obvious way to tell beforehand.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:39 PM   #2
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Bought some coaches of ebay and they are smaller in scale to the others I have. Advertised as OO gauge. Have I bought HO?

Didn't pay much for them and they fit to the track but will struggle to use in the layout.

Lima Intercity W16084.

More homework needed before bidding or is there an obvious way to tell beforehand.
Over the years there have been a number of British outline models made in HO. Can be hard to tell the difference from photos, and added to the equation most HO coaches are 1:87 while some are 1:100. This affects the length of the coach significantly. OO is 1:76 so I'd suggest asking the length of the model, before bidding in future.
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Lima actually made OO gauge stock for the UK market and HO gauge stock for thier home market of Italy. So you need to be sure before buying which scale you are talking about. You will probably also find strange couplings on the HO gauge stock.


From what I can see on line however Lima Intercity W16084 is, as you say, supposed to be an OO scale model so perhaps they used some of thier HO stock and passed them off as OO. You really cannot do much about this apart from, as has been suggested, check the length against the real life coach length and work the scale out yourself.
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Or put them back on eBay. You might even make a profit!
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HO stuff does look very small compared to OO.
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Lima actually made OO gauge stock for the UK market and HO gauge stock for thier home market of Italy. So you need to be sure before buying which scale you are talking about. You will probably also find strange couplings on the HO gauge stock.

Yes did notice the unusual couplings, loop and post type. Have that type on other OO Gauge rolling stock so the alarm bells didn't ring.

Will keep the odd couplings feature as a possible H.O model for the future and look into the buy more carefully, thks.
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Or put them back on eBay. You might even make a profit!
Might do. Can't lose much on them as they were bought for a song.
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HO stuff does look very small compared to OO.

Yes it's very noticeable and doesn't look right when next to each other.

Will maybe have a smaller shunter/or loco push them up and down a siding.
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Lima wasn't the only manufacturer to make British H0 gauge as there have been other attempts in the past but Fleishmann and others.
When Lima first attacked the British market there was a move for more realism in the form of EM and then P4 to address the inaccurate gauge issues of using 4mm scale on 00 gauge track. Lima and others thought "Why change gauge for greater accuracy? Why not change the scale to the correct scale for the gauge used?"
Unfortunately such attempts were not generally taken up by the British public, who preferred using narrow gauge to represent standard gauge prototypes. If one scales up 00 gauge to match the prototype one gets a gauge of around 4 foot.
What did puzzle me was that when the early attempts to widen the gauge (EM) they chose 18mm and not 19mm gauge width, as there was a big following of USA 00 scale modellers in the USA who used the more accurate gauge of 19mm which was only a quarter of a mm out from the true 18.83mm gauge that 4mm scale should be.
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suggest asking the length of the model, before bidding in future.
Good tip and will do. Just received some more coaches and these are between OO & H.O in size.

They area acceptable for running this time as the size difference is small against OO. In my naivety I thought OO meant OO Durrrr.

I should have learn't this lesson when in my spare time I used to restore older and vintage bicycles. Measuring area's such as length of pedal arms was centre to centre not length and so on.

You live and learn.
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